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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 22, 2006 10:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thanks, and I'll shut up...

Cliff Hucker cannot waste a single minute listening to anything post-1977, with the possible exception of a 1980 acoustic set.

With very few exceptions, the band basically sucked ass after 1977. The drugs being consumed during this period were not conducive to the jamming taking place during the late-sixties and early-mid seventies.

Just too much profound extended free-form jamming 1967-1977 to check out!

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 22, 2006 5:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thanks, and I'll shut up...

poppycock, Huckster (yawn)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 22, 2006 11:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thanks, and I'll shut up...

Hey, I am the narrow minded asshole that didn't own a digital set post 71 for years, so don't try to out do the snob of time period snobs...

Seriously, though, I do think that Dire's beloved 87 show (don't have the date in my head, but have the disk playing), is nice, especially because it so surprised me. Maybe some more gems await me...

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Nov 22, 2006 11:33am
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"Narrow minded asshole"? Isn't that kind of going Dire on yourself?

To your point, follow Dire's suggestions and you will find some true gems hidden in the clutter that is the latter stages of the Dead's career. I think the mistake many people make is to unintentionally compare any recent Dead they hear to the older, "classic" stuff. If one does that, you'll almost always be dissapointed. If, on the other hand, you can separate the two and judge the show on its' own, you will find yourself pleasantly surprised (not always though, there are a good amount of, uh, questionable shows the later in their career you go)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 22, 2006 1:54pm
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Dog bites tail.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Nov 22, 2006 11:48am
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Dire and i have talked about that MSG show in 87. The show itself is pretty average until you get until post space where I think you need to include that in the "legendary" folder

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 22, 2006 12:40pm
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I don't think it's average at all. Go back and listen to it drunk like I did a few weekends ago and I guarantee it'll take on stronger meaning : )

Seriously. Nice groovy first set and why just the post drums? Good Shakedown and one of the best Women are smarter ever. I'm not much of a big Terrapin fan but that one is great too. To me it is a strong show especially because it's played well from start to finish. One of the strongs 80's show if not the strongest out there.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Nov 22, 2006 12:45pm
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I just thought the first set was average at best and while the shakedown was nice, I didn't find it epic. For me, there is a noticable differnce post space, again just my opinion. Especially since I think the 4 tunes after space are probably my fav versions of each.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 22, 2006 3:49pm
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Funny how we all differ huh? To me the magic of that show is there isn't any real lemons, it's just SOLID and keeps building. I think it's strong overall. See I can pick several Dews I like better. I loved it when they were doing GDTRFB ( one of my all time favs )out of space but I think 7-17-88 Greek was better. As a matter of fact the Watchtower from 7-17-88 is way better too.I like the 4/1/84 Good Loving better than that one too.. and yet I like 9-18-87 way better overall.. the thing with that show for me is they're all good back to back so it makes the whole show that much better. I dunno, can't put my finger on it. NONE of those versions are my favorite but yet the whole show is one of my favorites.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 22, 2006 1:52pm
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I agree with you there; like Dew especially, and Watchtower...I will admit that for all the post 71 shows I do not have a complete show in mind when I admit I find one of them good (ie, portions of them have great appeal, but other parts still leave me unfulfilled).

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Nov 22, 2006 2:10pm
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Not saying this is the best by any means but try night 1 oakland Oct 91 for shits and giggles. Santana sits in for some second set tunes and the emotion is amazing since this is the first gig after Bill Graham's death. At the very least you'll get a killer Althea, which many people , including myself, think is the best the band has played.

Happy T'giving

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 22, 2006 5:45pm
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i do like the women r smarter though - the brent contribution to that tune is legendary as far as his input goes - a great version vocally (as really is the Shakedown - nothing great jamming wise -but great vocal jamming - very average Terrapin though)

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 22, 2006 5:53pm
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yeah, great beat! though it's a kiss-ass chick song-lol
It brought every female to their feet to be sure!
Bobby got well laid because of that one...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 22, 2006 5:57pm
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awww dude - its a great reggae/cajun tune - lots of fun - you some kind of sexist or something :0)

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 22, 2006 6:09pm
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i wuz a sexist, now I'm a monosexual...i wonder why?????
Bobby knows best! did they ever play Iko-Iko > Women are smarter or vice-versa?

This post was modified by cosmicharlie on 2006-11-23 02:09:56

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Nov 22, 2006 11:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thanks, and I'll shut up...

Is Cliff Hucker any relation to The Drake, cause everyone knows the Drake.
Sorry, couldn't help it, whenever I see someone refer to themselves in the third person, I have a knee jerk reaction. Anyway, as your never listening to later stage Dead, I won't pile on as I am sure people after me will, I will only say that I truly feel that if you listen closely enough, there is something special to be found in all "eras". But I can certainly see your argument. Either way, have a great holiday, hope you get to spend it with family.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 22, 2006 6:09pm
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Dick Milhaus Nixon, our formally beloved leader, referred to himself in the 3rd person as well.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 22, 2006 5:24pm
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dont tell Trucks that - far as i know - trucks love post 77 dead (could be wrong though)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 22, 2006 11:12am
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Not too much jamming in 77 either there Cliff. I agree that everything after 77 was downhill but I think there are some pretty respectable top notch shows from 87-91. In a lot of respects some of these shows are way more prescise and tight than a lot of stuff during their prime and so are some of the jams.

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